Oh dear.. I think I imploded the universe.

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Oh dear.. I think I imploded the universe.

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Hi Dave,

Guess I should have read the Wiki before experimenting with my trial version of KJams Pro..

Here's what I did. I had a bunch of CDG files on a drive that I imported into KJams, I decided not to use that drive, copied everything over to a different drive and formatted the old drive. I trashed the library and re-imported everything from the new drive, and now get the message "Could not find the song "DK023 Blah blah blah, do you want to try to find it yourself". Clicking "Reveal in Finder" finds the song but it still will not play. Tried uninstalling KJams and trashing the files, and re-installing to "start over" and, well.. You know.. Is there a "reset" button on this thing somewhere? :)

You'd think it would be as easy as deleting and re-importing the files, but I am sure there's a lot more to it than that.

Thanks in advance! I'll be purchasing as soon as I can get this little issue worked out.

Dave C.

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no, that should work fine. hmm

is your drive formatted with case sensitivity? that'll cause this problem. must be case INsensitive.

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It's formatted Mac OS Extended "Non Journaled", if that's what you mean. Other than that, I'm not sure what you mean about case sensitive.

The music that was originally ONLY on that drive will play, everything that I played or originally existed on the other drive will not.

Odd.. But it did seem similar to what I was reading about on the wiki about NEVER moving or renaming etc..

Where/how do I check for case sensitivity?

Thanks!

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it would say "case sensitive" so i guess it's not.

did you see this?
http://karaoke.kjams.com/wiki/Missing

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I did actually read the "missing" post.

They're not zipped, so I chose "File Audio" it's blank for all the songs that I tried to re-import from the new drive.
The only songs that show a path are the ones that I directly imported from the new drive. I've also tried deleting and re- drag and drop importing but it still shows no path, as if they don't exist. They show up in the library window, it just doesn't want to link them.

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you have:
it's blank for all the songs that I tried to re-import from the new drive
and then you have:
The only songs that show a path are the ones that I directly imported from the new drive
the only difference is the word "directly", so what does that mean exactly, to you?

try to get me on iChat, this is a single-user tech support issue, not a forum issue

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I'll keep an eye out for you on iChat.

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Hey Dave,

When's the best time to check for you on iChat?

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10-6pm pst m-f
plus 6-11:59pm pst tu-th

however, my ichat is crashing all the time right now :evil: so YMMV till i get a reinstall done.

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Grrrr... Hate it when that happens!

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i am *very* procrastinatey about doing a reinstall because i lose a couple days worth of work time :( wah.

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Totally understandable! I'm thinking if I do a re-install myself, it would correct whatever issue I'm having with kJams. However, I like the prospect of finding what exactly is going on. It might help other people that come across the same issue.

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let's make an appointment and get this solved

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Oh, no. I think we have a problem here. Luckily, I'm pretty sure I've tracked it down to a good starting point.

Since I got the new lappy with a nice big hard drive, I finally have room to store my music locally, and not have to drag around an external HD. (although I do plan on still using it to back up to)

So, I moved over the kJams music folder, intact, (which was residing on the external drive). My library folders were on the old mac, moved those over. Then I removed the songs from the library that I knew were imported, not ripped. I also removed what I think were files ripped from CD (or perhaps tricerasoft), that appeared outside of the kJams Music folder. I wasn't too worried about removing too much, because afterward, I ran a search for orphaned files just in case - and found nothing of significance.

Then, I moved all the karaoke from my external drive (about 100 Gigs worth) and reorganized it into a little better folder structure than I had going (as now was the time, when it was no longer in the library. After I had it all nice and neat, I opened up kJams and imported it all, about 20,000 songs worth.

After doing so, I found about 4,000 songs that had somehow got missed in prior imports. Great! unfortunately, all the hard work I did with pushing meta data and filenames (done before I removed everything from the library) was lost on these, and it took another hour to re-interpret names (most of them in sloppy R-S) and get my library looking functional.

Swell. Everything should be humming along nicely now. Well, not so much - out of every screen of songs, perhaps 5 won't play. These were verified songs, prior to the move. I wasn't changing computers because of hard drive failure, but because of logic board or PMU failure (lappy did no longer turn on past chime, only thing that seemed to work was resetting PMU, could not boot far enough to reset PRAM) - so no real concern about file corruption - besides, these were files from a known good external hard drive. By won't play, I mean double click on song, play button flashes, white empty square stop button, no play.

So, digging, view file in finder, finds song fine. re-import bad song, still no play. read this thread, look at File:Audio, field blank. WTF. Checked some other songs that weren't playing, all of them have the same problem. These are (not 100% sure if Zips are affected) files that are not zipped, the .cdg file is found, but the .mp3 file is not. OK, why not? It's clearly sitting right there. No problems with it before.

Oh snap! The audio files that aren't found seem to be all suffixed .MP3, not .mp3 - yes, I chose to have a case-sensitive journaled HFS volume as my hard drive. The files were on a FAT32 external drive, no problem - guess that's not very case-sensitive.

So, Dave, why the hate on case-sensitive? I see (now, in this thread) that you don't recommend it. And, what are my options? The way I see it they are as follows:

1. Reformat my main hard drive as HFS journaled non-case-sensitive - this will set me back a day, backing up the drive to my external, reformat, copy 350 gigs of stuff back, and pray everything works. (Haven't looked into whether Disk Tool can just make this change without a reformat) - but I really do like case-sensitivity - I'm a unix guy, and am quite used to it.

2. Trash my library again, run some fancy recursive batch rename command to make all .MP3 become .mp3, (not sure yet how to do this inside .zip's, or even if I would need to) and then re-add everything. I might try a meta/file push first to see if I can avoid a chunk of work re-interpreting files, but anything with no audio file attached to it may well get lost that way - as it is, I may have already screwed the pooch on this (does a re-interpret then push a filename, although in this case, just to the .cdg file, breaking its name consistency with its corresponding .MP3 file which wasn't recognized?) - If this is the case, then I'm really back to square one, and will need to re-copy over everything off the external drive, re-organize it all, then do the .MP3 -> .mp3 conversion, re-add to library 20k songs, re-re-interpret names, etc.

There's pretty dim light at the end of these tunnels. At best, it looks like another solid day or two of file mess before I will have a usable system. At worst? well...

I hope you have some thoughts on this that will help my blood pressure a bit. I'll toss specific questions to you now.

1. What's so hard about the import function searching for both .mp3 and .MP3 files?
2. If a .zip has a .cdg and .MP3 file in it, will this cause a similar failure on a case sensitive hard drive?
3. after a library entry containing only a video file, no audio file, is re-interpreted, will it then write the new file name to just the video file, without being explicitly told to (push file names)
4. Are there any more major hurdles I will encounter by running with a case-sensitive drive? You can be detailed here. I swear I'll understand.
5. Do you have any simple way to remedy this, short of either scenario listed above?

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Well, after reading around, it looks like starting over with a case-insensitive system is the way I will need to proceed - apparently the issues are far from limited to kJams - Adobe software can have issues, as well as a ton of other stuff (may explain some Finder crashes I'd been having.

So, here I go. clipped the library back to what is in the kJams Music folder, now going to boot from the install DVD, create an image of the HD (probably about a 250 gig image!), repartition, restore the image, bless the CoreServices, then pray I have a working system. After that, maybe I'll be able to start over on getting my karaoke music back in order. Meh. Wasted days.

Here's to luck!

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