orphans are actually duplicate entries with different meta

[randyj]

insert a disc
get track names from online database
edit a few names and/or artists and/or album
rip disc
eject
repeat

did that for about 10 discs. Found the Scan for Orphans command and ran it out of curiosity... 8 tracks came up, all of them were ones I had edited, but not all the ones I edited came up

these "orphans" have the old meta (pre-edit) and Reveal Original shows that they point to the same file as the "good" meta data entries

Find files outside of kJams shows only one copy on the drive, with the correct (edited) meta as the filename

Where is kJams finding these orphans?

[dave]

sounds like a bug. sounds like some meta is not getting correctly set for some songs.

scanning for orphans looks in the rips folder (the "kJams Music" folder, which is where your rips go) for songs that don't match any that are already in your library.

so yeah, sounds like a bug. if you know they're dupes, then delete them (but do NOT move them to the trash)

-dave

[randyj]

Yes, they're pointing to the same file. What's weird is that I'll delete them from the library, force-save database, Scan for Orphans, and it's back... still with the old (pre-edit) meta

here's the confusing part (good clue?) looking at the meta with QuickTime Player, it has the new (edited) meta, AND the filename is correct.

So when I scan for orphans, where the heck is it finding this old meta data?

Maybe it has something to do with the meta data bug that d49r20 fixed ? I've been ripping with a few different versions this weekend, trying to get away from that rip-crash.

Or maybe these are the songs that were being encoded at the time when it rip-crashed?

Sorry to be the bringer of bad news. I'm glad to help out any way I can Dave.

Randy j

[randyj]

Nix the idea that it was the track being encoded at the time of the crash.

Ripping with 49r19
first disc ripped without crashing, yet it has one phantom orphan

2nd disc crashed at about track 12 of 15.
3 phantom orphans, tracks 2 5 12

[dave]

please try the latest version for ripping, let me know if you still have the same problem.

-dave

[randyj]

d49r23 is not hanging or crashing yay !

I forgot to look into the phantom orphans...

[randyj]

63 discs ripped so far, 51 phantom orphans

[dave]

fixed (i hope), update to latest and report back.

-dave

[randyj]

I froze my updates several days ago until after my shows this weekend. I'll update and report back this coming week.

Thanks for the prompt fixes!

[dave]

i think we figured that it was related to playing the song on the disc, then changing the meta info, then ripping the song, then scanning for orphans. "normal" people don't do that, so it's not an issue.

When i fix it such that changing meta will also rearrange *folders* (not just file names) this issue will go away.

-dave