Songs.ktd [Backups] Folder

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Songs.ktd [Backups] Folder

Post by FretsNDust » Wed Oct 28, 2015 9:57 am

I came a across and issue that resulted in over 120GB of my drive being used by this folder for backups. Admittedly I am going through my library and cleaning up naming issues and duplications, but it seems like every time the app autosaves the library it creates another file in the backup folder. Is there any way to limit the number of backups retained or turn off the backup feature entirely?

Thanks for any assistance!!

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Re: Songs.ktd [Backups] Folder

Post by FretsNDust » Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:14 am

I stepped back one version (1.0.1b84) and the backups no longer are generated.

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Post by dave » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:34 pm

there is currently a data-loss bug which is unresolved. i turned on this auto-backup thing to help mitigate the issue when it strikes
you're free to delete all the backups as long as you've verified that your CURRENT library is not missing any stuff (missing songs, entries in your playlists turning to dashes)

it's generally a bad idea to go to a previous version because you're now on a version that is KNOWN to have bugs in it, and i can't do tech support for old versions.

update to latest, and manually delete the backups. i'll try to put in a thing where it saves one backup per day for a week, then one a week for a month, then one a month. to keep the size down

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Re: Songs.ktd [Backups] Folder

Post by FretsNDust » Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:55 pm

Thank you for the quick reply. Much appreciated!

I will do as you suggest and watch for an update that mitigates the issue. Limiting the number of backups per day/week should be a workable solution.

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Post by DeusExMachina » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:48 am

Wouldn't it make more sense to just set a time interval for when to overwrite backups, and/or ask users on startup if they want to create a new one?
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Post by dave » Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:16 pm

either one requires new code. and "overwrite backups" still requires some judicious decision about WHAT backups to delete. also, it needs to be automatic. asking a newb user what they thing is correct is probably not the best option.

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Post by DeusExMachina » Fri Oct 30, 2015 3:57 am

I was envisioning backups as off by default, turned on in prefs, with a time interval then set, and the warning dialogue now primed.

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Post by dave » Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:16 am

they can't be off by default. when someone comes to me with data loss, their show ruined, irate and frustrated, and i say "well, did you turn on backups?" and they say "no of course not why the fuck isn't that on by default?!?!"... you get the idea. too many options is too confusing for 90% of users. sure, there'll secret prefs for tech savvy folks like you, but for the newbie, simple is better

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Post by DeusExMachina » Fri Oct 30, 2015 2:04 pm

Sure but, since that is the current state of affairs as it is right now anyway, adding a backup utility doesn't really add to the confusion.
But still, a rotating backup with time expiration is pretty much how I think most people would expect it to work (as opposed to unlimited backups stretching back to infinity).
The flip side, IMO, is the issue here, where eventually every user's HD will fill up (albeit slowly) with kJams backups, to the point that there will be no more room, and the aforementioned newbie will be even more confused!

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Post by dave » Fri Oct 30, 2015 2:19 pm

i'm aware of all of these issues. this is a stop-gap measure

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Post by DeusExMachina » Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:39 pm

To be honest, I was not even aware kJams was making backups.

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Post by dave » Mon Nov 02, 2015 4:03 pm

it's brand new, to stick my finger in the dike, till i can get a new one

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Re: Songs.ktd [Backups] Folder

Post by DeusExMachina » Tue Nov 03, 2015 2:26 am

I suspect most people would be overjoyed just to find out there was one or two back up versions in the event their library got trashed.

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Re: Songs.ktd [Backups] Folder

Post by dave » Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:06 pm

yes, i know

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Re: Songs.ktd [Backups] Folder

Post by TezinOz » Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:42 pm

Thank you for implementing this "Backups" folder. On two occasions I've experienced the bug you mentioned, and both times I've been able to restore the Songs.ktd and get my Kjams back up and working.
I know you are working on this data loss bug - would I be correct in assuming that when you close Kjams at the end of the show - that the databases are failing to save properly? The only thing I have noticed is that it occurs when I re-open Kjams and have a version update to do at the same time. In my case my whole song library starts re-adding and then pulling all the metadata again - resulting in empty playlists, singers histories etc. Scary stuff !!........so, once again, thank you for providing the backups folder.

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